Bray- This just feels to me like because the facts aren't there, the statistics aren't there, the cases aren't there that this is a really big problem and people are clamouring to attack the intruders or kill the introducers or whatever, baseball bats, skillets, whatever and what we're fostering and I'm just going to keep repeating myself, we're fostering is this angry hostile world that has every body dealing with violence.  The use of deadly force is how you deal with violence.  I just don't think the facts bear out what you're trying to do.

Goodman-  Well I guess if we were to address that problem how many innocent occupants-

Bray- How many innocent occupants what're the statistics of all these innocent occupants?

Goodman- How many will be enough?  What is it that has to happen with frequency before we can address the problem.  It's undeniable.

Bray- If that's the measure, we have hundreds of thousands of people without health insurance. So- How many does it take?  How many does it take of children going hungry every day to do something about it?  There's soem huge problems, I don't see this as one of those things that rises to the level that we have to change our  laws that are adequate now to take care of these circumstances.

Goodman- It may not be a huge problem in the number of people who come in with the problem but if you're that one person and it destroys youre life because a burgler came into your house and you defended yourself, it's a huge problem to that Missourian.